Checkmate in Iran

(theatlantic.com)

22 points | by znnajdla 1 hour ago

9 comments

  • maxglute 13 minutes ago
    Better to preserve the illusion of military hegemony than to stalemate against tier2 power and remove all doubt. - Mr Rogers, probably. At least Kagan losing some sleep.
  • hebelehubele 32 minutes ago
    > In a world where Iran wields influence over the energy supply of so many nations, Israel could face enormous international pressure not to provoke Tehran in Lebanon, Gaza, or anywhere else.

    One can hope.

  • tristanj 25 minutes ago
    This is a silly article. It assumes the situation in the Gulf is finalized, calling the current situation "checkmate". It implies the game is finished, even when all sides know the status-quo is unsustainable. Neither side agrees to the terms of the other. The conflict, which is currently paused, is not resolved. It will resume. It's unavoidable.

    This is akin to looking at Europe in November 1939, a month after the fall of Poland and two months after the war began, and claiming the war was finished. WWII entered a lull where basically nothing happened for 8 months, other than a naval blockade and some minor skirmishes.

    We are currently in a similar lull.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War

  • chung8123 34 minutes ago
    It is hard to believe this doesn't push us towards electricity for more things. It is so much less to have an electrical vehicle right now. Electrical prices have a soft cap too as solar becomes cheaper.
  • jacknews 3 minutes ago
    America does have a not-such-a-complete-disaster, and probably by now quite popular, way out.

    Cut off Israel, and contain them with treaties, if not threat.

    Unite the gulf states under that understanding, and particularly Oman, to at least share control of the strait.

  • mikestew 59 minutes ago
  • only-one1701 58 minutes ago
    I mean what’s there to say but, well…FAFO.
    • spwa4 54 minutes ago
      If Iran gets to tax the strait of Hormuz, it's the entire world that will be doing the "FO" part. The EU, maybe China. For the US, consequences will be relatively minimal.

      Obviously Iran will be using their newfound leverage to force policy changes in the EU first. That will be very, very bad.

      (and if I can say something really unpopular: this is why Trump wants and asks for EU and other allies to support the US in this war. Not because it's just or fair ... nothing to do with it. More like "deal with Trump or deal with mullahs", expecting any sane person to choose Trump, rather than deal with the consequences of Iran either taxing Hormuz or acquiring nuclear weapons)

      • kivle 30 minutes ago
        It doesn't take much for somebody to seem like a more reliable party to make a deal with than Trump. Trump has already made direct threats of military action against Europe. Making a deal together with China might be the better option.

        Also, Trump asking the EU and other allies to contribute seems much more to be about shifting blame and cost. Participating in the quagmire he created, with such an unreliable partner seems like a terrible idea.

        • spwa4 4 minutes ago
          Except ... look at the map. If Iran wins they (and 10 other parties) control Bab-El-Mandeb and Hormuz. Indonesia has already announced they'll close Malacca if Iran wins.

          That means that for Europe to trade with Asia, it has to either pay tax to 10 different countries ... or to the US.

          In other words, it gives the US the ability to apply import tariffs the way the UK famously did: if France or any EU country wants to trade with China, or any Asian country they'll have to pay tariffs ... to the US. The American revolution coming full circle.

  • aaron695 39 minutes ago
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