I think this conflates "old" with "killed". Most of the stuff is just old.
I would say the Mac Pro was "killed", left to languish after the trashcan model, then isolated from third party GPUs when it finally got upgraded to Apple Silicon, and then left to languish again until the lack of sales justified killing it.
Rosetta 2 will certainly deserve a spot on this list next year when they start yeeting it, an amazing piece of technology that has made Apple Silicon-era Macs uniquely capable of executing the widest range of software.
I think it's important to highlight Apple's mentality: That old devices are dead to them, and the pretending that they don't even exist anymore.
I have a house full of Apple hardware and none of them get updates from Apple anymore, and I can't manually update them without hackery (OpenCore) or wiping them to install Linux (where possible). Also, because third party app developers largely align with Apple's philosophy, less and less 3rd party software even works on my computers anymore. Heck, even Homebrew, which ships open source software that has always run on my devices, relegates my hardware into their "tier 3" garbage can[1].
The combination of Apple's and third party's disinterest counts as "killed by Apple" in my book.
> Also, because third party app developers largely align with Apple's philosophy, less and less 3rd party software even works on my computers anymore.
I think it's more about 3rd party app developers attempting to improve their products and stay relevant.
If Apple releases a new framework or API that would make a developer’s app better, but it requires macOS 14 or later, are they not supposed to incorporate it?
I've noticed lots of 3rd party developers keep older versions of their apps available for older macOS versions.
On both macOS and iOS it is straightforward to target older devices while using the newer SDKs, and to use those new frameworks conditionally based on the user's OS.
> I think it's important to highlight Apple's mentality: That old devices are dead to them, and their pretending they don't even exist anymore.
And yet the HomePod wasn't "killed" just because they upgraded from gen 1 to gen 2. Gen 1 HomePod literally just got a software update a month ago. The iPhone X wasn't "killed" just because they released the iPhone 11. This list is egregiously version-centric for things where it makes no sense.
Apple could easily support eGPUs if they wanted to, but they choose to have vertical integration over fragmentation or usefulness. It's the same as them not supporting OpenGL or Vulkan: they could if they wanted to be a better gaming/porting target, but compatibility of any sort is not a priority.
Agreed. Aside from obsolete hardware that was replaced with newer products, there isn’t really anything on this list that I miss except for HyperCard. Just about everything worthwhile became another product or got rolled into something else.
I came here to comment the same. I'm still using my iphone SE 2nd gen and it's still receiving software updates. Calling it dead is a bit misleading imo.
Fellow user here. It still surprises me on durability and usefulness. Its small size fits into my trousers’ pockets and even if it falls out, it won’t brake like a Samsung.
I think so, Macs can run software written for Android, iOS, Mac, Windows and Linux, everything else is incapable of running the iOS and Mac stuff. Virtualizing macOS from a Linux or Windows sucks for arbitrary reasons, and both macOS and iOS are missing a compatibility shim like WINE.
All this sounds great in theory, but Mac does not have a particularly stable ABI and it's fairly common for closed source software from 5+ years ago to just not run.
Yes, the company that explicitly closes its ecosystem can also run the more open ecosystems legally, and those open ecosystems can't legally run the closed one.
That's a knock against Apple, not a bragging point.
If anything, this website provides a great track record for Apple. Most of the discontinued products are either ancient or just got rebranded, and many stayed alive way longer than expected (iPod Touches until 2022??!!).
This has a very different feel than similar pages for other companies. Hardware is still supported if it's within age, most of the software features are just elsewhere and renamed, and some of it is just previous generations of products they currently sell?
Usually these pages convey how capricious the parent is, but this just feels like an arbitrary accounting of things Apple has moved or updated, with a few of them not having replacements.
I read some of it as interesting "quick fails" - Apple's BNPL, for instance - I see why they would have tried, and it's interesting that they pivoted relatively quickly out of it.
Some of the text is silly sour grapes, but it always will be with editorial content about tech products.
Lots of these items were just moved from the app store into the os. How is that killed? That said, I really miss Dark Sky. Acme weather is good but not quite there yet.
Hacker news holds Apple and Google to different standards, so I doubt this post will get much traction. (I'm still angry about how I must use an iPhone if I want to be able to text high quality video to people I don't know very well)
Apple has done a much better job at maintaining their stuff compared to Google. Even this list is mostly just old hardware that fell out of service.
And even then, I can still sync my 20+ year old firewire ipod with the most recent Apple Music (formally iTunes) on my m4 MacBook with the right converter.
Well, even looking at the list it's clear that there's huge difference between things killed by apple and by google. E.g. there's lots of hardware for which there's just no genuine market, e.g. iPod touch. I'm surprised it was killed only in 2022. Lots of software was just incorporated into other products. It's completely different compared with what google does.
unfortunately they hold it in the wrong direction. At least when it comes to updates and feature retention apple is one of the leaders. Even this website posted here shows that most of the software stuff is just rolled into other native apps instead of being abruptly cancelled (lookin at you google) with no recourse where to go.
Some of these are like "Find My Friends" which is still a thing, but like the website mentions, was just folded into the Find My app. It's not like Google killing popular services like Reader or trying and failing to get another messaging app off the ground
Why is Apple Watch series 0 even listed? I can _sort of_ see the argument for discontinued form factors generally even though I'd disagree with it being useful to show, but series 0 wasn't a different form factor even.
This list can't be serious. Is there single thing on this list that was genuinely killed by Apple, and not just outdated or moved to be a part of other software?
I'd consider the functionality Aperture held to have been killed. I used it for years after 2015 due to a lack of a functional replacement that wasn't a subscription.
It still find myself missing what seems to be basic capabilities while using Photos.
Time Capsule ( for iOS ), AirPort Extreme, AirPort Express, WebObjects, Safari for Windows, XServe, Aperture.
These are all the stuff I miss and I wish they would come back.
On iPhone Air, currently at 6.5" gets a Silicon Carbon Battery upgrade, I hope we also get iPhone Air Mini at 5.95". The current iPhone Air still sold better than iPhone Plus. It should continue to stay in the product line.
There's stuff that deserves to be noticed, like the Mac Pro. The category is a beefy machine with expansion slots and the ability to run so hard that you need massive cooling. Even if the chips have become far more efficient, there's still space for running something so overpowered that you need physics to cool it. They just gave up on this space and it made some people sad (including me, even if I'm no longer that demographic, because I was for two decades).
And then there's the thing that just stopped mattering to most people because it wasn't relevant anymore. I remember my father, who used to love making mixed CDs in iTunes, asking why MacOS got worse at burning music CDs. I had to tell him that what he wanted wasn't the thing anymore. I essentially told him that he was "holding it wrong." It felt bad. Was that killed by Apple or did the market just move on? I'd argue the latter.
If you want to drive engagement, Killed By Apple isn't a bad name. I think that's basically the sum of the idea and not much else.
Like by 2010 you only burned CDs for the stuff what couldn't accept the flash drives ie mostly for the car audio systems. And by 2015 the need for ODD just disappeared though they were still included in servers and desktop PCs out of habit. But by 2020 a 'desktop' PC became SFF/USFF/USDF and you couldn't mount ODD there even if you want (though Lenovo sold mounting bracket for ODD for their Tiny series).
The only thing missing i could find was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashcode which had a pretty great data binding UI that i never quite saw like that.
Jefferson and Read had sold a scripted series to Apple titled Scraper that was based on the inner workings of Gawker, and the quartet, along with a handful of, as Carmichael puts it, “very accomplished, amazing screenwriters and playwrights on Broadway,” were producing scripts for the first season. [...] “Max and I had been concerned about that when we sold the project to Apple,” says Jefferson, but the executives developing the project “told us there was a very protective firewall between the TV side and the tech side.” But a month before the writers room wrapped with scripts for the first season’s eight episodes, Jefferson recalls, “an executive called me and said word had reached Tim Cook that we were doing a show set in a world similar to Gawker, and he had put the kibosh on it personally.” Jefferson and his 3 Arts Entertainment manager Jermaine Johnson (who also represents Read and Carmichael) say they heard about but never saw an email in which Cook allegedly referred to Gawker as rife with “vile human beings.” (Cook did not respond to requests for comment.)
I think the website would benefit of listing the lifespan regarding support rather than when it stop selling the device. Right now, it lists the Homepod 1st Gen had a lifespan of 3 years, but mine is still receiving updates regularly.
I don't know your definition of "rolled in", but the actual successor to the SE is the e line (iPhone 16e, 17e, etc).
I agree that the SE was a great iPhone and a great form factor. I didn't have one, but my kid did. Whenever I had to do something on their SE, I found it so much more usable than my own whatever Pro phone of that time. It wasn't enough to get me to go to an SE, however.
I guess that's Rosetta 2, and TFA is referring to Rosetta 1.
But don't worry, Rosetta 2 is also on the chopping block:
> Rosetta was designed to make the transition to Apple silicon easier, and we plan to make it available for the next two major macOS releases – through macOS 27 – as a general-purpose tool for Intel apps to help developers complete the migration of their apps. Beyond this timeframe, we will keep a subset of Rosetta functionality aimed at supporting older unmaintained gaming titles, that rely on Intel-based frameworks.
tl;dr: Rosetta is sticking around through macOS 27. After that, the normal Rosetta will be removed from macOS. but a subset of Rosetta will remain to support certain older unmaintained games.
For people complaining about the quality of the entries of the page, I would encourage you to take a look at the often-cited on this very site https://killedbygoogle.com/ and compare. There we have things like Dopple, "Killed recently, Doppl was an early experimental AI app launched by Google Labs in June 2025 to create a "digital twin" or virtual model of yourself for trying on outfits. It was 10 months old."
The quality of entries on killed by apple seems largely comparable if not higher.
I wish they'd bring those back so simple and easy to set up. Could use some more functionality like VPN's and such but otherwise a great product line-up. Now it seems every AP looks like an alien spacecraft.
Dark Sky is the one that most grinds my gears. It was one of those unique apps that does something miraculous. Apple bought it and killed it for everybody that didn't use an iphone.
Reading this, it honestly seems like Apple has keen product insight. Dropping FireWire for TB/USB etc. Killed by Apple but thank god so we can have fewer custom ports. Thank you, Apple.
I mean it's not as offensive as a lot of other vibe-coded "products", but it's just kind of a waste of everyone's time; there's no ingenuity in the presentation (it suffers from the same emoji-feature-box-small-text combo as every single one-shot vibecoded site in existence) and judging by said presentation I highly doubt the author put the effort into researching this list or writing the comments by themselves either.
So while it's not gonna be the next Moltbook in terms of security breaches, it's basically just the 2026 version of your middle manager copy-pasting a paragraph from ChatGPT web into Slack. It's content from nobody for nobody. It's definitely not what I want to see on the HN front page, but I guess if people get a kick out of it then you do you.
Good. Apple users are a minority in my local community, yet the vast majority of broken charging ports over the years have been Lightning. Some micro-USB, and zero USB-C problems so far.
I would say the Mac Pro was "killed", left to languish after the trashcan model, then isolated from third party GPUs when it finally got upgraded to Apple Silicon, and then left to languish again until the lack of sales justified killing it.
Rosetta 2 will certainly deserve a spot on this list next year when they start yeeting it, an amazing piece of technology that has made Apple Silicon-era Macs uniquely capable of executing the widest range of software.
I have a house full of Apple hardware and none of them get updates from Apple anymore, and I can't manually update them without hackery (OpenCore) or wiping them to install Linux (where possible). Also, because third party app developers largely align with Apple's philosophy, less and less 3rd party software even works on my computers anymore. Heck, even Homebrew, which ships open source software that has always run on my devices, relegates my hardware into their "tier 3" garbage can[1].
The combination of Apple's and third party's disinterest counts as "killed by Apple" in my book.
1: https://docs.brew.sh/Support-Tiers
I think it's more about 3rd party app developers attempting to improve their products and stay relevant.
If Apple releases a new framework or API that would make a developer’s app better, but it requires macOS 14 or later, are they not supposed to incorporate it?
I've noticed lots of 3rd party developers keep older versions of their apps available for older macOS versions.
And yet the HomePod wasn't "killed" just because they upgraded from gen 1 to gen 2. Gen 1 HomePod literally just got a software update a month ago. The iPhone X wasn't "killed" just because they released the iPhone 11. This list is egregiously version-centric for things where it makes no sense.
Best form goes to the Neo, current Air, or 2015 MBP.
They should be offering a 12” Air now.
wider sure, but widest?
That's a knock against Apple, not a bragging point.
Usually these pages convey how capricious the parent is, but this just feels like an arbitrary accounting of things Apple has moved or updated, with a few of them not having replacements.
Some of the text is silly sour grapes, but it always will be with editorial content about tech products.
https://www.macrumors.com/2026/04/27/app-store-monthly-subsc...
And even then, I can still sync my 20+ year old firewire ipod with the most recent Apple Music (formally iTunes) on my m4 MacBook with the right converter.
iTunes -> Apple Music
Apple TV Remote App -> Apple TV Remote in Control Center
Dashboard -> Desktop Widgets
Find My Friends -> Find My
iPhoto -> Photos
Game Center app -> Games/Apple Arcade
Newsstand -> Apple News
iChat -> iMessage
Final Cut Studio/Server -> Final Cut Pro
AppleTalk -> AirDrop
as just a few examples.
It would be nice, but perhaps hard to do, to have a list of "sherlocked" apps and services.
It's not on the site, and I don't care _quite_ enough to figure out how to add it.
That's the problem with built-in software that "does it all" and crowds out the market for other software. One day it might not do it all.
(VLC can do this, but not as simply as I used to be able to).
This page could have used some heavy editing after asking the LLM to compile all stuff from wikipedia.
Lost it at the Lightning listing, which apple still first party even:
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/muqw3am/a/lightning-to-us...
It still find myself missing what seems to be basic capabilities while using Photos.
These are all the stuff I miss and I wish they would come back.
On iPhone Air, currently at 6.5" gets a Silicon Carbon Battery upgrade, I hope we also get iPhone Air Mini at 5.95". The current iPhone Air still sold better than iPhone Plus. It should continue to stay in the product line.
I dunno, I mean… sigh.
There's stuff that deserves to be noticed, like the Mac Pro. The category is a beefy machine with expansion slots and the ability to run so hard that you need massive cooling. Even if the chips have become far more efficient, there's still space for running something so overpowered that you need physics to cool it. They just gave up on this space and it made some people sad (including me, even if I'm no longer that demographic, because I was for two decades).
And then there's the thing that just stopped mattering to most people because it wasn't relevant anymore. I remember my father, who used to love making mixed CDs in iTunes, asking why MacOS got worse at burning music CDs. I had to tell him that what he wanted wasn't the thing anymore. I essentially told him that he was "holding it wrong." It felt bad. Was that killed by Apple or did the market just move on? I'd argue the latter.
If you want to drive engagement, Killed By Apple isn't a bad name. I think that's basically the sum of the idea and not much else.
Like by 2010 you only burned CDs for the stuff what couldn't accept the flash drives ie mostly for the car audio systems. And by 2015 the need for ODD just disappeared though they were still included in servers and desktop PCs out of habit. But by 2020 a 'desktop' PC became SFF/USFF/USDF and you couldn't mount ODD there even if you want (though Lenovo sold mounting bracket for ODD for their Tiny series).
At Gawker, They Battled a Billionaire. 10 Years Later, the Scars Are Still Healing https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/inside-ga...
Jefferson and Read had sold a scripted series to Apple titled Scraper that was based on the inner workings of Gawker, and the quartet, along with a handful of, as Carmichael puts it, “very accomplished, amazing screenwriters and playwrights on Broadway,” were producing scripts for the first season. [...] “Max and I had been concerned about that when we sold the project to Apple,” says Jefferson, but the executives developing the project “told us there was a very protective firewall between the TV side and the tech side.” But a month before the writers room wrapped with scripts for the first season’s eight episodes, Jefferson recalls, “an executive called me and said word had reached Tim Cook that we were doing a show set in a world similar to Gawker, and he had put the kibosh on it personally.” Jefferson and his 3 Arts Entertainment manager Jermaine Johnson (who also represents Read and Carmichael) say they heard about but never saw an email in which Cook allegedly referred to Gawker as rife with “vile human beings.” (Cook did not respond to requests for comment.)
When Apple introduced Lightning it was as the "modern connector for the next decade" and... that's exactly what happened.
I agree that the SE was a great iPhone and a great form factor. I didn't have one, but my kid did. Whenever I had to do something on their SE, I found it so much more usable than my own whatever Pro phone of that time. It wasn't enough to get me to go to an SE, however.
But don't worry, Rosetta 2 is also on the chopping block:
> Rosetta was designed to make the transition to Apple silicon easier, and we plan to make it available for the next two major macOS releases – through macOS 27 – as a general-purpose tool for Intel apps to help developers complete the migration of their apps. Beyond this timeframe, we will keep a subset of Rosetta functionality aimed at supporting older unmaintained gaming titles, that rely on Intel-based frameworks.
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple-silicon/abou...
tl;dr: Rosetta is sticking around through macOS 27. After that, the normal Rosetta will be removed from macOS. but a subset of Rosetta will remain to support certain older unmaintained games.
The quality of entries on killed by apple seems largely comparable if not higher.
But I know, I'm not the target audience anymore.
https://killedbygoogle.com/
So while it's not gonna be the next Moltbook in terms of security breaches, it's basically just the 2026 version of your middle manager copy-pasting a paragraph from ChatGPT web into Slack. It's content from nobody for nobody. It's definitely not what I want to see on the HN front page, but I guess if people get a kick out of it then you do you.
Good. Apple users are a minority in my local community, yet the vast majority of broken charging ports over the years have been Lightning. Some micro-USB, and zero USB-C problems so far.
The expectation should not be for products to last for ever.
And for each product that happened, more products came after that were inspired by it.