Full Writeup of the Windows GDID

(github.com)

33 points | by typeofhuman 3 hours ago

6 comments

  • hyperrail 1 hour ago
    How a Windows device's global ID is generated may be new info in the public sphere, but the fact that the global ID exists is not a secret. This format of device ID has been in Windows since the initial release of Windows 10 in 2015, when it was introduced as part of Windows' current telemetry subsystem. To see your device's global ID, open Windows Feedback Hub, then go to Feedback Hub Settings and look under Device Information.
    • ranger_danger 47 minutes ago
      What I'm more interested in is how/where the GDID is used. Imagine if e.g. Edge started sending your GDID as a header in every single web request.
      • naturalmovement 37 minutes ago
        I always assumed Chrome and Edge already did this — but sent the data to their respective masters.

        Isn't every Chrome download unique?

        It used to be even though the package contained an Authenticode signature, each installer stub download had a unique hash, because Windows' digital signatures allow a non-executable data area in the trailer which is not computed as part of the signed data.

        There is zero technical reason to do this (generating unique binaries) aside from tracking purposes.

  • rrix2 2 hours ago
    one thing this doesn't touch on that I am curious about is how was browsing history, etc, correlated to the GDID?
    • typeofhuman 4 minutes ago
      Ya. The FBI report to the court said that Microsoft showed the GDID visited the ngrok.com/signip page while using a VPN. I would have figured at that level the OS would not know domains but likely IP addresses. So it must be browser telemetry right?
    • murderfs 1 hour ago
      Edge history syncing, presumably.
  • ggerules 2 hours ago
    Wasn't this the GUID (Globally Unique Identifier) of early 00s Windows? When did it change to GDID? Are they the same?
    • wrs 2 hours ago
      No relation. GUID is just a format for a 128-bit unique number, used throughout the software industry. This is a specific 64-bit number assigned to your Windows device.
    • miffy900 2 hours ago
      Maybe try reading the writeup? GDID's are 64 bit for one thing, not 128 like GUIDs.
  • gigel82 29 minutes ago
    > The court record itself says a reinstall produces a new GDID

    That's a half truth if I ever saw one. Telemetry also includes the hardware hash (which does use SMBIOS serial number, CPUID, TPM identifiers, etc.) and that one survives OS reinstalls and even hardware swaps. It is the underlying id used for things like Autopilot (the equivalent to Apple's remote MDM lock).

  • stackghost 1 hour ago
    For those like me who were not abreast of this issue: the FBI was able to arrest some kid who hacked/is alleged to have hacked a jewellery retailer through a VPN. They were able to track the hacker via the user's GDID, which is a stable identifier unaffected by VPN usage.

    This surveillance is certainly going to expand in scope as age verification comes into widespread usage. Personally I see little legitimate use case for this telemetry. It seems only useful for the purposes of tracking users for law enforcement or targeted advertising purposes.

  • xyst 2 hours ago
    this is why Microsoft is pushing so hard for Microsoft accounts at install
    • ranger_danger 1 hour ago
      An MS account is not required for a GDID to be issued.