OpenAI raises $11B at a $1.25T valuation

(247wallst.com)

56 points | by armcat 1 hour ago

13 comments

  • cmiles8 20 minutes ago
    The real headline is that they couldn’t hit what they wanted in terms of valuation and funds raised. Just were not enough people willing to invest given concerns that it may be downhill from here for a while on AI.

    This will also make it even harder to avoid any future IPO being a down round. They’re almost certainly worth much less than Anthropic and Anthropic is, per reports, struggling to keep its valuation much above 1T, and even that may fall through.

    • admax88qqq 8 minutes ago
      > They’re almost certainly worth much less than Anthropic

      What makes you say this?

    • onlyrealcuzzo 15 minutes ago
      The bigger story is that their burn rate is so high.

      Unless things change considerably, this is less than a 6 month runway.

      It's not common for raises to give you this little runway.

      You could read into it that they expect to IPO in far less than that amount of time, and this is a short bridge until then.

    • bluecalm 3 minutes ago
      I would be shocked if Anthropic IPOs below 1.25T. Prediction markets have it at 1.625T now. Even quite conservative Aswath Damodaran puts it at 1.45T. I think once you go below that you can probably just sell on open market without any IPO dance like finding institutional investors.
  • chris_va 13 minutes ago
    We always see these headlines and think "is XYZ company actually worth that much?"

    Class A stock gets paid out first, so "valuation" here is not what a retail investor would necessarily pay for class C.

    Basically, do these people think that they'll get their $11B back? If so, they are ok with a high "valuation" because there is little risk. And with OpenAI's corporate structure, who knows what is actually happening.

  • bob1029 5 minutes ago
    OpenAI seems to me like they are operating with a slightly longer horizon strategy than Anthropic. Going for the IPO is the last resort in my mind. It is what you do to get ahead of deteriorating financial conditions. I don't think Anthropic had a choice at their projected burn rate. Why would we surrender all our cloaks and daggers unless we absolutely have to? The political and regulatory headwinds are not looking favorable for AI companies as of a few days ago.

    Going for the IPO collapses a large space of options that are available to the business. The AI business is entirely about data. Anthropic's IPO would generate an incredible amount of data that could be used by its competitors to refine their strategy. Knowing where to allocate capital is perhaps worth more than the capital itself at these scales.

    • ifwinterco 1 minute ago
      Issue is the deteriorating market conditions are already happening, Anthropic didn’t really get ahead of them
  • odyssey7 21 minutes ago
    I think OpenAI is one of the most important companies in a generation, but on a tangent, I remember the first time a company broke a $1T market cap, and it was a significant moment. Nowadays multi-trillion-dollar valuations are becoming more common — I wonder how much it reflects inflation vs companies being genuinely bigger than they used to be. If it’s more about inflation, then we can expect to see dozens and hundreds more in the coming decades. Founders: recalibrate your ambition for the new era.
    • Hendrikto 19 minutes ago
      It is pretty much all inflation. Just look at the gold price over the same time frame. Gold did not become more productive or scarce. In fact, we have more of it now than we ever had.
    • kortilla 5 minutes ago
      Half inflation, half hype.

      2018 when Apple was first across the threshold, it’s P/E was around 20. Currently near 40.

      Then inflation has cut the dollar in half in a bunch of categories. So that would put it at $4T with no growth at all.

      Another way to look at it would be to think of this openAI news as announcing they have a $250B valuation if you’re fixated on pre-covid prices like I am. :)

    • 233mhz 9 minutes ago
      > I remember the first time a company broke a $1T market cap, and it was a significant moment

      But then again 1T today is 700b back in 2018. It's like 6 figures salaries, they don't hit like they used to.

  • satvikpendem 12 minutes ago
    Valuation dropped, that's the real news. Altman couldn't raise the amount he wanted to so it's gonna just be a dumping ground in the public markets.
  • xnx 15 minutes ago
    OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Nvidia, Grok: they can't all be worth $1T (or $1T additional in Google's case) at the same time.
    • rfgplk 3 minutes ago
      It's a classic example of short term mispricing.
    • Forgeties79 8 minutes ago
      It still baffles me that Grok is even on the list let alone being funded. Their market share is terrible and the product is so mediocre. Why on earth would I want a tool that has “be funny and irreverent” baked into its system prompts? I don’t want a calculator cracking wise at me either.
      • WarmWash 4 minutes ago
        Have you been on twitter?

        It's become a huge community of people who have their life savings in Elon, and endlessly circle jerk the hype.

  • naveen99 41 minutes ago
    This valuation is a function of early accumulation of compute. They could rent it to Anthropic, or poach more Anthropic engineers.
    • fancyfredbot 27 minutes ago
      Not sure how long you'll be able to sell compute to anthropic for. They are constrained right now but they have an insane pipeline of take or pay contracts, and if those are delivered they'll be drowning in compute in a couple of years time.
    • ianm218 7 minutes ago
      Do you think they would actually sell compute to anthropic? Relative to working with other labs that feels like conceding the overall AI race atleast outside of consumer.
    • raincole 16 minutes ago
      Anthropic has a higher valuation than OpenAI.
      • nullc 3 minutes ago
        Not for long.
  • an0malous 5 minutes ago
    Called it months ago when they released Luna etc. and started subsidizing prices even more.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49117798

    > I bet they’ll announce new fundraising soon. Someone gave them a top up to try and corner the market.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50012065

    > > As OpenAI bides its time, the company is engaging in early stage discussions with investors about a potential new funding round. The company could raise around $30 billion, CNBC previously reported, but that figure could change.

    > I predicted last month when they launched Luna that they had raised more funding and I suspect this tidbit dropped to CNBC is just prepping the public for a fundraising that’s already happened. There will probably be an announcement this month.

  • 124512310X 25 minutes ago
    They wanted to raise 20 billion "from family offices and high net-worth individuals", i.e., fleece the Saudis again but failed:

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/running-dry/

    They got a bit of pocket change at this insane valuation.

  • xfour 47 minutes ago
    How many companies have a public market valuation over 1T, that seems like a lot
    • rbinv 30 minutes ago
      About 14:

      Apple ($4.98T), NVIDIA ($4.51T), Microsoft ($3.94T), Alphabet ($3.49T), Amazon ($2.80T), TSMC ($1.95T), SpaceX ($1.82T), Saudi Aramco ($1.69T), Meta ($1.56T), Tesla ($1.42T), Broadcom ($1.40T), Berkshire Hathaway ($1.22T), Eli Lilly ($1.21T), (Walmart ($0.996T))

      • ozgung 8 minutes ago
        I remember Apple being the first ever one-trillion-dollar company in the world. It was in 2018.
    • jordanb 42 minutes ago
      It's cheap if you buy the story that they're building a digital god to rule us all.
    • Hendrikto 18 minutes ago
      1T isn‘t what it used to be. Inflation is exponetial.
  • ViktorRay 3 minutes ago
    When this bubble pops the retail investors who are holding the bag are going to suffer so much unfortunately

    Wikipedia article on who suffers the most when speculative bubbles pop:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory

  • enraged_camel 42 minutes ago
    The story here is that Sam wanted to raise a lot more, but could not. Investors almost certainly want to see how the Anthropic IPO plays out before deciding whether to keep showering these companies with money.
    • bushbaba 36 minutes ago
      Valuation wouldn’t hold if public. He couldn’t raise the 30B he wanted. I’m not sure how much runway OpenAI has, but sounds like a similar to Anthropic story with valuation likely if in the public markets declining.
    • naveen99 40 minutes ago
      Sam raised a $100B in previous round. I think a direct listing ipo would see their valuation go up to $4T, and then they could do some at the market sales as needed.
      • satvikpendem 13 minutes ago
        They didn't actually raise that 100 billion fully, tranches were contingent on different factors, some of which haven't even been hit yet.
      • freecodeio 27 minutes ago
        why not just value it at 40T if we're all just throwing numbers randomly
  • JulianPaul 23 minutes ago
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