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  • danielodievich 23 minutes ago
    Just last week I was on the call with a a techy architect from one of the major-major financial services companies, and he was discussing getting token capacity and his words on third best option was "we'd get it from Coreweave or whoever is still alive". So yeah, I am pretty sure that if that's the sentiment from software people at the major-major financial company, Coreweave is cooked.
    • maerF0x0 8 minutes ago
      Which is such a wild thing about our industry. These can be simultaneously true

      - No one has available tokens/gpus/datacenter for sale at any price

      - No one will lend people money to build it

      • fhruwbfbrb 0 minutes ago
        That is precisely what price subsidies look like. These companies are hiding the the true cost of offering these models.
  • trescenzi 8 minutes ago
    That’s edging up on credit card rates for strong borrowers wild. NerdWallet has Chase Freedom with a lower bound of 18.49% and Citi Diamond Preferred with 16.74%.

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/credit-cards/best

  • holysoles 12 minutes ago
    Aside from the price signal, the fact they were issuing these at a 9.625% coupon rate continues to run up their future debt servicing costs.

    Coreweave doesnt seem to be in a winner-take-all sector, they have a narrow moat and will have high ongoing capex. I struggle to see how they dont go under eventually even with the ability to restructure debt

  • bix6 46 minutes ago
    So there’s a chance I can pickup some discounted GPUs next year?
    • throwawaypty 3 minutes ago
      Zero chance. Secondary market for enterprise grade GPUs is white hot.
    • CoolestBeans 10 minutes ago
      Hyperscalers and SPVs are still planning on accelerating the buildout in 2027. Also even if everything hit the fan tomorrow, it will take time for production to shift back into consumer products if that's even what companies decide to shift to.
    • ipsum2 27 minutes ago
      No, the other neoclouds will scoop up the remains. The H100 was released 4 years ago and its still near impossible to find at any discounted price.
    • water-drummer 30 minutes ago
      If you can out-bid the Chinese.
  • jeffbee 26 minutes ago
    It almost reads like a semiconductor process report.
  • fnord77 57 minutes ago
    totally crazy that Google has bonds yielding 5.68%

    That's a great return for practically zero risk.

    (If google defaults on bonds there's much bigger problems in the world than the loss of your capital)

    • ion_trapper 17 minutes ago
      The yield is bounded from below by the treasury yield, which is just a little lower - and with the treasury you have really big problems if they default! But realistically the US will inflate its currency rather than default, so the yield is really just reflecting expected future inflation. It’s not as great a deal as it seems. Bonds are probably the most fairly priced assets in the world.
      • maerF0x0 7 minutes ago
        If by fairly priced you mean so competitively priced that essentially all the real profit has been taken out.
    • conover 34 minutes ago
      So much low-risk debt has been issued by the likes of Google, Amazon, etc. that it’s hard for other debt issuers to compete.
    • stymaar 25 minutes ago
      US 10y bonds are at 4.871, which is lower but fits your description even better.

      That being said, inflation is at 3.7% YoY and it's the real rate that maters, not the nominal one.

    • Imustaskforhelp 26 minutes ago
      The treasury is having daily rates of 4.56% at 2 year bond and 4.88% at 10 years rate.

      Yes, Google has a very small risk but still it is a non zero risk that google can bankrupt whereas US govt can physically not bankrupt itself given that it can print the money (there could only be some gridlock within raising the ceiling though but that's true)

      Also I would argue that Google itself has changed with trillions of dollars spent into AI/Datacenters, it simply can't pivot as well. There is a reason as to why Google is having such high level of interest rate

      Google isn't stupid and wants to give such high level of interests if not for the amount of risk involved. I dont believe that there's free lunch but also that perhaps this can be a good deal to some and this is gonna push people even more away from the more riskier neoclouds funding and cause their debts to rise in interests rate even more.

      • Esophagus4 2 minutes ago
        Matt Levine once noticed that Microsoft’s bonds were actually cheaper than Treasuries (during a time of Trump-instigated turbulence).

        His point was that Microsoft has an interest in maximizing its credit worthiness which necessitated the corporate governance etc, while the administration had an interest in maximizing… other stuff (?) which did not necessitate the same things.

        [1] https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/why-microsoft-has-lowe...

  • Refreeze5224 55 minutes ago
    Now let's see Anthropic sell enough of its junk bonds to cover its half a billion in non-cancelable obligations.